


Ik heb dan maar de missing link zelf opgesnord want anders blijven jullie zeggen dat ik geen gelijk heb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_ARP
Twee VLANs (= physical segments) kunnen dus hetzelfde IP subnet delen en verbonden worden door een router. Ik heb niet in detail gezocht maar zijn Cisco switch lijkt Proxy ARP te ondersteunen.Transparent subnet gatewaying
A setup that involves two physical segments sharing the same IP subnet and connected together via a router. This use is documented in RFC 1027.
RFC 1027 is blijkbaar al van 1987 en de originele reden voor ontwikkeling was ook "smodderwerk"

Mijns inszien een leuk experiment om eens te proberen, het kost niets (buiten wat tijd), je leert weer wat bijThe Ethernet at the University of Texas at Austin is a large
installation connecting over ten buildings. It currently has more
than one hundred hosts connected to it [5]. The size of the
Ethernet and the amount of traffic it handles prohibit tying it
together by use of repeaters. The use of subnets provided an
attractive alternative for separating the network into smaller
distinct units.
This is exactly the situation for which Internet subnets as
described in RFC-950 are intended. Unfortunately, many vendors had
not yet implemented subnets, and it was not practical to modify the
more than half a dozen different operating systems running on hosts
on the local networks.
Therefore a method for hiding the existence of subnets from hosts
was highly desirable. Since all the local area networks supported
ARP, an ARP-based method (commonly known as "Proxy ARP" or the "ARP
hack") was chosen. In this memo, whenever the term "subnet" occurs
the "RFC-950 subnet method" is assumed.



Neen, een computer gaat er van uit dat als hij binnen een subnet via ARP een IP adres opvraagt dat hij nog niet gezien heeft een antwoord krijgt als die host actief is binnen dat netwerk. Indien niet gaat hij er van uit dat hij onbereikbaar is. Als je daar een firewall tussen zet die het blokkeert zal je computer denken dat die host niet bestaat.Ik zie niet in hoe je 1 subnet over 2 vlans gaat verdelen? De computers in hetzelfde subnet gaan er nl van uit dat ze mekaar rechtstreeks kunnen contacteren en zullen bijgevolg geen contact opnemen met een gateway.
Neen, de bedoeling van een VLAN is een fysieke afscheiding simuleren.dat is net de bedoeling van VLANS
je gaat aparte broadcast domains maken.
dus aparte subnetten.
Maar... (en dat weet ik zelf ook wel)VLANs are layer 2 constructs, compared with IP subnets, which are layer 3 constructs.
PS:In an environment employing VLANs, a one-to-one relationship often exists between VLANs and IP subnets, although it is possible to have multiple subnets on one VLAN. VLANs and IP subnets provide independent layer 2 and layer 3 constructs that map to one another and this correspondence is useful during the network design process.
Advantages
The advantage of Proxy ARP over other networking schemes is simplicity. A network can be extended using this technique without the knowledge of the upstream router.
For example, suppose a host, say A, wants to contact another host B, where B is on a different subnet/broadcast domain than A. For this, host A will send an ARP request with a Destination IP address of B in its ARP packet. The multi-homed router which is connected to both the subnets, responds to host A's request with its MAC address instead of host B's actual MAC address, thus proxying for host B. In the due course of time, when host A sends a packet to the router which is actually destined to host B, the router just forwards the packet to host B. The communication between host A and B is totally unaware of the router proxying for each other.
Disadvantages
Disadvantage of Proxy ARP include scalability (ARP resolution is required for every device routed in this manner) and reliability (no fallback mechanism is present, and masquerading can be confusing in some environments). ARP manipulation techniques, however, are the basis for protocols providing redundancy on broadcast networks (e.g., Ethernet), most notably CARP and Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol.
Proxy ARP can create DoS attacks on networks if misconfigured. For example a misconfigured router with proxy ARP has the ability to receive packets destined for other hosts (as it gives its own MAC address in response to ARP requests for other hosts/routers), but may not have the ability to correctly forward these packets on to their final destination, thus blackholing the traffic.